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Reliance on natural gas fuels risk to grid

New Hampshire Union Leader -- New Englanders braced for the coldest weather of the winter the week of Jan. 21, knowing temperatures were going to dip below zero. What they didn't know was that controllers of the New England power grid came dangerously close to imposing roving blackouts due to constraints on the supply of natural gas that fuels most of the region's power plants.

Then on Feb. 8, as the region braced for Winter Storm Nemo, it happened again.

"If we had lost one more big generator or a transmission line, we would have had to resort to our emergency procedures," said Vamsi Chadalavada,..."Those procedures are to call on help from neighboring areas, then to call for voluntary conservation, and if that's not sufficient, to institute controlled power outages ... We came quite close."

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HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:9,508 Points:3,075,700 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 7:11:24 AM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse Sounds like cries of "Wolf!" from the anti-fracking liberals. Go figure.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,922 Points:2,342,585 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 2:42:47 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Reliance on natural gas fuels risk to grid? If the natural gas pipeline is too small to deliver the increased amount of natural gas needed to keep the regions power plants or generators running, there will be times when Not enough electrical power is being generated for the demand. Improve the capacity of the natural gas pipeline or risk brown outs or roving power outages. There is plenty of natural gas being recovered from the nations deposits and there should be NO supply shortages! Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
musicreporter All-Star Author San Antonio Posts:620 Points:131,315 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 1:08:23 AM Ignore musicreporter Report Abuse ok
Pmgr Veteran Author San Antonio Posts:479 Points:124,730 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 1:04:24 AM Ignore Pmgr Report Abuse ok
danreino Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:8,337 Points:1,537,705 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:39:37 AM Ignore danreino Report Abuse Just shut everything down like they did back in the U.S.S.R
Packman3231 All-Star Author Oregon Posts:622 Points:1,848,165 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:38:11 AM Ignore Packman3231 Report Abuse Changes is fuel is going to affect some grid of supply.
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,018 Points:521,215 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:35:07 AM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse Aviator Rob - I totally agree. This is the 21st century, coal is a four letter word that needs to be archived; coal is not a viable energy source. Even the Chinese are discovering that coal will not be the answer, pollution from this is too much for both the environment and health. Transportation of natural gas (NG), or any liquid fuel, is the problem. In the pursuit of crude for gasoline, many wells hit NG, that many companies just burn off, as they have no way of collecting, storing on site and then any ability to transport to NG processing plants. Some companies don't even burn, some will just let it escape into the upper atmosphere, which destroys the ozone layer. We are wasting vast quantities of NG needlessly. It might be better to leave NG in the sub-terrain until such time it can be processed properly and not needlessly wasted. Remember many of these well-heads are in remote areas, where they don't have storage/pipelines from every site, some roads a goat could not use. At present we are not doing a good job of capturing NG, it really needs to improve sooner then later! [Edited by: CdnLynx at 3/19/2013 12:38:33 AM EST]
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,453 Points:659,275 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:33:44 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Don't complain.....fix the problem.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,335 Points:1,239,425 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:31:25 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Yes, change can be painful.
JasTheAce All-Star Author Raleigh Posts:955 Points:169,410 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:30:42 AM Ignore JasTheAce Report Abuse hmmm
obimerrill Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,425 Points:286,790 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:29:58 AM Ignore obimerrill Report Abuse Government restrictions have limited our ability to generate enough power and gas to meet demand. And Obama keeps forcing producers to shutter generating plants due to environmental concerns in spite of the demand so this will only get worse for at least 3-5 years!
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,466 Points:2,099,090 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:29:22 AM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse Life is a risk every day that you are alive.
Suzzoom Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,348 Points:502,140 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:29:20 AM Ignore Suzzoom Report Abuse Another reason why I'm glad I no longer live in New England.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:5,609 Points:800,300 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:28:32 AM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse They need more power plants, protection from power outages.
gsayeg1 All-Star Author Milwaukee Posts:774 Points:139,040 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:28:28 AM Ignore gsayeg1 Report Abuse lot of natural gas up that way
OOXXFF Champion Author Greensboro Posts:3,043 Points:1,075,405 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:27:46 AM Ignore OOXXFF Report Abuse We live in constant danger.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,224 Points:1,681,200 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:27:28 AM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse It's a good alternative.
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,997 Points:2,467,770 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:27:04 AM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse More options...not less
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,226 Points:2,251,095 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:25:35 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse and who woulda been blamed for this ??..
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:23:41 AM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse A bit scary.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:22:46 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse No easy answers here, @rx7racerca. People turn on the TV and see another housing subdivision go up in flames because some road crew ruptured a gas line. That would make anyone a bit uneasy if someone said they want to put a natural gas pipeline in their backyard.
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PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,677 Points:535,120 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:22:03 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Another shortsighted assessment!
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,970 Points:2,523,410 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:20:16 AM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse BS
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comprof Champion Author Houston Posts:6,844 Points:1,353,825 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:19:48 AM Ignore comprof Report Abuse Typical jump without planning ahead. You have to have adequate distribution systems.
Harry813 Champion Author Iowa Posts:2,985 Points:657,865 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:18:09 AM Ignore Harry813 Report Abuse I think it's BS
SparkieMi Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:3,244 Points:584,445 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:17:53 AM Ignore SparkieMi Report Abuse There is some thing wrong here!!!! What is the real story???
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rx7racerca Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,187 Points:1,109,420 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:16:10 AM Ignore rx7racerca Report Abuse It takes a long time to get a pipeline built - less because of the EPA, and more because of the NIMBYs.
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:12:57 AM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Liquifying or compressing natural gas isn't cheap, @jkpsr. The electricity suppliers need to keep costs to a minimum if they want to maximize their profits.
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jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,069 Points:1,099,105 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:08:30 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse Why can't the railroads bring in unit tank car trains with LNG or CNG?
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Dawger007 Rookie Author Winnipeg Posts:39 Points:28,905 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:00:40 AM Ignore Dawger007 Report Abuse This is a regional distribution problem you can't handle the load if you don't build the generating plants and supply them with fuel
Busymomma56 Sophomore Author Utah Posts:224 Points:52,120 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Mar 19, 2013 12:00:33 AM Ignore Busymomma56 Report Abuse It's been a tough winter.