honda0105

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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:47:51 PM
nothing wrong about that. Need to do that with others, such as bankers and many other companies that got any bailout money.
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Sneakers55

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Houston
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:12:06 PM
coughlin wrote:
>The shareholders of GM never, ever, ever, ever had the >opportunity. Shareholders of few, if any, corporations >have ANY say so over compensation.
SAY ON PAY is so far mainly practiced in Europe.
The only US company who does SAY ON PAY that I know of is AFLAC and I know of a batch of them! AFLAC is more of a Japanese company than a US company in the first place... they may not have many American vehicles in Japan but they have tons of American insurance! AFLAC has SAY ON PAY but they're the type of company that wouldn't need it that much: the founding family is in charge, and they don't pay themselves much.
There seems to be a lot of demand for SAY ON PAY from shareholders. It's getting attention in Congress.
>I am GLAD that Obama did it and wish that the ceiling >had been lower.
They should have a simple rule: Take a bailout, the Named Executive Officers take a pay cut. The CEO's pay should go to $400,000. That's what the President gets.
>Compensation that American CEO's receive is obscene. >It should be a ratio of 40-1 from the highest paid to >the lowest.
Any particular reasoning for the 40:1 ratio? If they're going to set compensation for CEOs, let it be the same as the President of the United States receives with the exception that they don't fly on a Boeing VC-25 unless the President invites the aboard.
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Amplion

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Oregon
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:35:37 AM
Chairman BHO's comrades at work !!!
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Night Owl

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:49:54 PM
Good news. Executive salaries and bonus pay has gotten absolutely ridiculous.
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davmoo

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:22:56 PM
>>The shareholders of GM never, ever, ever, ever had the opportunity. Shareholders of few, if any, corporations have ANY say so over compensation.
Actually yes they do, although not directly. The shareholders elect the board of directors. If the directors award the company executives too much pay in the eyes of the stockholders, the stockholders can vote out the board and replace them with directors who do what they want.
I'd also like to remind all the naysayers that the government is a shareholder of GM, and in fact is the largest shareholder of GM. It is not merely a case of the government says "lower pay"...its the holder of 60 percent of the company stock saying "lower the pay".
As I said in an earlier post on this topic, if GM doesn't like it, I'm sure Uncle Sam would be more than happy to sell them back that 60 percent just as soon as GM ponies up the billions to do it. Don't like what the 60 percent shareholder says? Then buy them out. Welcome to capitalism. Talk is cheap, shares of stock cost money.
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Bonanza

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Boston
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:07:25 PM
Too bad they can't control the bonuses that are going to the bankers and Wall Street.
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coughlin

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 8:49:43 PM
gas_too_high wrote: GM execs may be overpaid, but it should not be the government, but the shareholders, saying so.
The shareholders of GM never, ever, ever, ever had the opportunity. Shareholders of few, if any, corporations have ANY say so over compensation. I am GLAD that Obama did it and wish that the ceiling had been lower. I also wish that he had done it with the Banks that got our money. I don't buy the argument that 'they'll leave for another company". Let 'em go then. Compensation that American CEO's receive is obscene. It should be a ratio of 40-1 from the highest paid to the lowest.
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SpaceAce5

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South Dakota
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:36:16 PM
start with a little off the top sounds good to me
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OHMS

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:17:31 PM
who trims the pay of the CZAR?
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PathfinderSC

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:16:32 PM
Gee all these Changes.
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LanguageMan1

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:59:37 PM
To continue where I was cut-off from finishing below.
what dealerships and to basically leave the companies alone instead of shipping more jobs out of the country and closing out more jobs as Obama and his gang have done. As far as I'm concerned, Obama and his gang is as bad as Bush and his and Clinton and his. They both shipped jobs out of this country along with our Congress.
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gas_too_high

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:19:34 PM
GM execs may be overpaid, but it should not be the government, but the shareholders, saying so.
Oh that's right -- the government IS the shareholder of Government Motors.
GTH
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CPGas1815

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:02:10 PM
The outrageous and obscenely large salaries of corporate executives should be slashed to $1.00 per day. Many of us are surviving on not much more than a buck per day. Only then will these titans of corporate corruption realize some of the pain that they have inflicted upon every one of their constomers.
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POLELANE

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:02:06 PM
I didn't notice what the pay CZAR gets for her hard work; anybody see it?
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LanguageMan1

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Tampa
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 4:00:37 PM
I don't mind them limiting their base pay as they're going to get plenty of spiffs, bonuses, stock options, etc. I take all the extra stuff into consideration. I don't want them [the government] to get involved with the day to day operations, the salaries and pay scales for the rest of the worker (though they ALREADY HAVE don so with the assembly line workers) or for the designs of the vehicles, etc. The government doesn't do a good enough job as it is with it's own day to day functions. AND, I want them out of the picture deciding about who gets
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jwalkerh

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Louisiana
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:53:55 PM
When will GM start repaying those loans back?
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batloverNM

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:53:36 PM
How many of us little people could be employed if the big execs weren't so damn greedy???
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Cruiser340

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:23:36 PM
at least the auto CEO's are in charge of money producing companies, unlike congress who just spends our money and gives us nothing for it.
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04tang

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:14:51 PM
I think half a mil is too damn much. They haven't showed me they earned anything yet.
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badbonita

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Syracuse
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:14:23 PM
IMO these executives don't deserve multi-million dollar paychecks and bonuses since all they did was nearly drive their companies into bankruptcy.
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Patch44

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:14:22 PM
Will these cuts help reduce the price of gas? I doubt it!
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rimpyCA

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:13:32 PM
go ahead do it fast
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twowheel

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Austin
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:09:30 PM
Do you want to buy a car designed by the best engineer or the cheapest engineer?
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computernut2008

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:09:06 PM
Get rid if these Czars
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CorvairHaven

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:06:38 PM
More political "remedies"...
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SUV2009

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Orlando
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:02:06 PM
Great maybe they will figure out how to pay us back.
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nurdco

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:57:39 PM
WHERE's the Taxpayer Discounts???
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texasvet

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Texas
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:53:37 PM
This has nothing to do with gas prices. Funny how articles like this stay around while articles actually having to do with oil supplies (like, for instance, Russians drilling off of Florida) disappear.
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humblepie

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:49:46 PM
of all obama's 116 czars this one has the best job, even better then the toilet paper czar
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Jo120

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:46:19 PM
If that's what happens when Obama takes over in General Motors. We can only guess what will happen with Health Care?
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pgriff1

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:40:16 PM
so how much does the Czar make?
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Bleeder

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:35:46 PM
They should all have to prove they have earned their outrageous amount of salaries.
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runway12

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:32:10 PM
Is this a model for showing that if you actually work or do a good job than you can make more income? Too bad Wall Street doesn't have this notion.
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skybiker

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:31:09 PM
Where in the Constitution does it say Government has this authority????
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JCS319

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Tacoma
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:28:25 PM
Best news coming from the "czar" that I've heard about. It's our money and there isn't any reason to pay the execs of a failed company outrageous salaries.
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LittleBlueCarNY

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:24:02 PM
Throw out all the czars...and the people who appointed them.
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DrivingFool2

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:22:51 PM
Too bad they can't control the bonuses that are going to the bankers and Wall Street.
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AcuraTSX

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:20:01 PM
Who sets the salary for the pay czar? Congress? Congress does not even get to approve the czars Obama appoints. More government control. Just what most Americans do NOT want!
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cpl11787

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:19:53 PM
cool.
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serrog

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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:19:17 PM
good
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nigelb

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:18:36 PM
About time! And to those commenting about "Government Motors" - the government did not want to run GM, had they not taken ownership of 60%, GM would not exist causing thousands more to loose jobs.
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regasaz

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:14:37 PM
What the Hey?? I believe Obama has more Czars than Russia. Where do their dded salaries come from - us the taxpayers.
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DellDude2

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:14:13 PM
Newsflash: The official "Pay Czar" Logo is the Sickle and Hammer.
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pulpwood

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:02:38 PM
Yes you are correct spunky4443!
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hybridaholic

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:01:41 PM
Agree with you Jcurley
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jcurley

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:59:17 PM
But not the financial industry! The Bush and Obama administrations, and the Senate, made sure there was no language that would permit oversight or restrict salaries and bonuses, in the TARP funds and other bailout handouts to the banks.
Fire (most of) the US Senate and start over!
Side note: Every public corporation that I know, has a compensation committee that "sets" the executive salaries and bonuses according to other executives. And not one says the the executive should be paid at under 50% of the average. They are all at 50% and higher. Which means that executive salaries are guaranteed to ratchet up every year -- it's in their contracts.
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Dennisjk

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:57:05 PM
We seem to have a lot of czars now, don't we.
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AnObserver

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:56:26 PM
Based on the performance of the company, this move seems very justified. Too bad Feinberg doen't have the same jurisdiction over the Wall Street investment and banking firms.
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Road-Runner

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:55:12 PM
"Czar" is simply a term which has been attached by the media to certain agency heads and others in the federal government. "Energy Czar" has been used to refer to the head of the federal energy department. In reality it has no validity at all. In much the same way some of us like to refer to health insurance company executives as "Robber Barons".
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Tamas2evil

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:55:06 PM
They all should have pay checks less than...$500k
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