Road-Runner

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Denver
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:55:12 PM
"Czar" is simply a term which has been attached by the media to certain agency heads and others in the federal government. "Energy Czar" has been used to refer to the head of the federal energy department. In reality it has no validity at all. In much the same way some of us like to refer to health insurance company executives as "Robber Barons".
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Tamas2evil

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:55:06 PM
They all should have pay checks less than...$500k
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TheDix

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:49:33 PM
Over paid for years.If they don't like it join Toyota.
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spunky4443

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Washington
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:48:57 PM
Boo-Hoo-Hoo, you really got me feeling sorry for these People who make over $500K, I'm sure there is a lot of other people who feel as I do.
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JonDon2010

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North Dakota
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:48:41 PM
why are they getting so much, cut there pay and hire more people and open more factories.
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Road-Runner

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Denver
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:47:38 PM
Kenneth Feinberg, is the US Treasury Department's "special master for compensation". He is a lawyer, and was previously in charge of the very difficult task of negotiating settlements (from the special federal government fund) to victims of the 911 attacks. He's probably one of the few people in government whom it is doubtful is being overpaid.
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ipm1

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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:44:16 PM
Hope we all realize that it's nothing but BS. Here is the key sentence:
The rules restrict the top 25 executives from receiving more than $500,000 in base cash salary unless a company can prove a good reason for the higher pay.
Also, for a large company it's no problem whatsoever to come up with a sizeable "compensation" scheme in addition to the base salary.
And, of course, at the end of the day we - THE TAXPAYERS - are paying for all these things.
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TBONE3

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:43:57 PM
Why doesn't this Czar trim all the Czars. salaries? Why single out GM's? Is it because the government runs GM?
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Road-Runner

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Denver
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:42:13 PM
Czar, as Feinberg stated on Charlie Rose is really a misnomer, as under our system of government, he Feinberg cannot force anyone to do anything but can only persuade and negotiate.
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LoneGuy

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Lansing
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:40:19 PM
So what is the income of the pay czar and is he like so many other government people who cheat on their taxes?
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Road-Runner

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Denver
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:38:58 PM
Feinberg discussed this very topic with Charlie Rose the other day, and reminded viewers that the government is obligated to honor any previously signed employment contracts. It will take a good long while to get this problem under control, if GM lasts that long.
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VTROCK

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:38:40 PM
This is what the Government will do to doctors if they get the health care bill passed. It's all about control.
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thirteen1

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:30:44 PM
next headline will read "pay czar trims all workers making over 50k/ year"
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BEngr

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:30:20 PM
While I'm not in favor of the government setting any ones salary, there is an easier way! The government should require these companies to pay a matching amount of the total compensation paid any executive each year as payback for the government bailout. Why should we wait for the companies to pay us back, when they can afford to pay their executives that much money. Think about it, a company deducts salary as an expense when they figure their taxes, therefore they pay less in taxes.
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Vette1967

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Albany
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:26:42 PM
The should all be given only $50,000 per year until they turn a profit.
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TXGasPriceSpy

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Fort Worth
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:26:30 PM
Good for the czar!!!
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thriftymeCA

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:26:11 PM
All the top auto executives should have to forgo any bonuses and live on base salary like the rest of us hard workers.
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pdcarver

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:25:48 PM
can't wait till the government tells me how much I could earn. Do you really think these execs are going to work harder for nothing? Soon may be the same situation with the Doctors.
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JoeKR

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:24:39 PM
In a privately owned company I would doubt there would be too many executives being paid more than their worth unless that company is looking to close.
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MidNJ

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:22:17 PM
Metro Man, I agree, Ed Whitacre will have a hard time living on only $500,000 a year. However does this impact on the additional 7 million he was to get in stock bonuses?
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Art48

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:19:01 PM
The "Pay Czar" is enforcing the provisions of TARP passed by the Congress. He is NOT acting on his own:
Limits on executive compensation The Act sets some new limits on the compensation of the five highest-paid executives at companies that elect to participate significantly in TARP. The Act treats companies that participate through the auction process differently from those that participate through direct sale (that is, without a bidding process). Companies who sell more than $300 million in assets through an auction process are prohibited from signing new “golden parachute” contracts (employment contracts that provide for large payments upon termination) with any future executives. It will also place a $500,000 limit on annual tax deductions for payment of each executive, as well as a deduction limit on severance benefits for any golden parachutes already in place. Companies in which the Treasury acquires equity because of direct purchases must meet tougher standards to be established by the Treasury. These standards will require the companies to eliminate compensation structures that encourage “unnecessary and excessive” risk-taking by executives, provide for claw-back (forced repayment of bonuses in the event of a post-payment determination that the bonuses were paid on the basis of false data) of bonuses already paid to senior executives based on financial statements later proven to be inaccurate, and prohibit payment of previously established golden parachutes.
In other words he is policing them like he should.
Would you feel better if they called him The Government Administrator in Charge of Pay?
[Edited by: Art48 at 3/20/2010 1:24:04 PM EST]
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Hunter114

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:16:24 PM
That's life at Government Motors.
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Metro Man

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Flint
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:14:00 PM
Hope this cut won't put Big Ed in the poor house.
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geminijax

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Jacksonville
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:11:35 PM
Good move! For years, GM execs were collecting fat paychecks for leading the company into ruin, screwing consumers and killing thousands of jobs!
Mr. Feinberg, go one step further. How about a clawback of all the fat bonuses GM execs have received in prior years, while GM was sliding towards bankruptcy?
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Greg6901

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Oakland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:07:23 PM
How about some money for the workers?
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Dipstick1

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Amarillo
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:06:44 PM
Oh, yippity. Why don't we trim the pay czar pay?
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Art48

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:04:33 PM
Bush sidestepped the constitution with executive orders and appointed 47 "Czars" as well. Who is/has destroyed the Constitution?. Who forced through the "Patriot Act" that steps all over our rights?
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us412

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Arkansas
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:01:10 PM
If they can't make the big bucks then BO can't squeeze them for more taxes... And then who will pay for the free health care and college and make your house and car payments??? Somewhere there has to be a goose laying the golden eggs but BO wants to kill him so He can eat roast goose for supper.
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Art48

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:00:03 PM
idigau22 - many are confirmed by the Senate.
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BKool

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:58:17 PM
Our present Administration in D.C. is shameless in it's destruction of our
Constitution in their "transforming" of our once great nation. President
Obama has wilfully become the 1st third world President of these United
States.
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Art48

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Sacramento
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:57:23 PM
rick948 - Then there was G W Bush's "faith czar". I'm sure that's spelled out in the constitution.
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idigau22

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Modesto
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:56:01 PM
Obama has more Czars working for him then Russia ever had! Remember, these people answer only to Obama! Not Congress!!
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PithyOpiner

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Stockton
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:54:22 PM
Does this mean that the upper management will quit and go work someplace else? I doubt it. Where else do they have to go? It's not as if thre are a bunch of other auto manufacturers they could take their talent's to. Is there?
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theawesome1

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:51:04 PM
GMC has plenty of money to pay back to USA taxpayers who loaned them cash so the would not liquidate. SO PAY US BACK! ALL MONEY MADE COMES TO US FIRST!
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CISA

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:48:08 PM
very common in a reorg, for the uninformed, to impose salary restrictions and renegotiate union wages (unless your creditor is BHO and the unions are protected)
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rick948

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:43:46 PM
"PAY CZAR"??? Where in the US Constitution does it give ANYONE permission to "appoint" a "pay czar"??? FIRE HIM!!!
I'm not sticking up for the "execs" at Government Motors (formerly General Motors) but Obama has WAY TO MANY 'CZARs"!!! FIRE THEM ALL! SAVE THE TAXPAYERS SOME MONEY!!!
SLASH POLITICIANS SALARIES ACROSS THE BOARD AND IMPOSE TERM LIMITS! ELIMINATE CAREER POLITICIANS!!!
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fordfan1

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:42:00 PM
This is so wrong in so many ways it is not funny. These are the kinds of things we can look forward to when the Health Care bill that we do not want becomes law tomorrow night. But the crooks in Washington need to remember November will get here and they will be going bye bye on January 1st!
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mooneagle

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:37:25 PM
wish the Gov wold let them go bankrupt
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AC-302

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:36:45 PM
I agree that federal bureaucrats also need to have their pay re-evaluated and cut.
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Sam195

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San Bernardino
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:35:27 PM
I'll bet those guys will work hard to get GM out of government control.
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ChuckGVT

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:34:54 PM
More abuse of power by nobama and his henchmen.
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snewwee

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:34:28 PM
Try trimming the salaries of most of the professional athletes. No wonder it cost so much to watch overpaid people play games.
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baddog58

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Texas
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:34:09 PM
Great! Now use the same approach with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and some of the other incompetent governmental agencies (FEMA, etc.)
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Grismer

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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:34:09 PM
A good first step.
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HailstormCA

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:33:36 PM
I hear the sound of feet. Moving towards the door.
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BlueVanGroup

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Colorado
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:33:35 PM
Where does the Constitution give the federal government the power to use taxpayers' hard-earned money to buy corporations?
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nehemiah

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Portland
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:33:25 PM
more than enough if we based it on their performance
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balljars

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:32:13 PM
It wont do any good they will find a way around it.
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adr47

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Saskatchewan
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:31:57 PM
Still more than those turkeys deserve
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2907

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:31:49 PM
Less pay equals less quality.
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Goatroper

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:31:20 PM
Just one step closer to the Democratic ideal of a socialist government. Cradle to grave, don't worry about anything....we'll take care of you. You're too dumb to think for yourself, let us do that for you.
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abuck

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:30:09 PM
Something that actually makes some sense....
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